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cmille11 said...
Yeah he's no Denard, but he is pretty good most of the time at pickin up the first down with his legs.
I agree that Cousins will be the 2nd best QB, so this should be exciting to see how well the secondary comes out. Boise whooped us on the short passes.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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SmyrnaDawg said...
Honestly, no. But I doubt you have another ringer in your backfield. (I feel like the SEC snob by the way which was not my intentions.) & I'm not trying to disrespect any of msu's skill guys. But given the mixture of size & speed we've faced every week, I just don't see our guys feeling threatened. I don't expect to need to blitz to create pressure, meaning exotic coverages and disguises and crazy activity presnap. I also expect Jones & Washington to turn your tackles into welcome mats. So you're QB will be running for his life or just throwing the ball up for grabs by the 4th.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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SmyrnaDawg said...
Honestly, no. But I doubt you have another ringer in your backfield. (I feel like the SEC snob by the way which was not my intentions.) & I'm not trying to disrespect any of msu's skill guys. But given the mixture of size & speed we've faced every week, I just don't see our guys feeling threatened. I don't expect to need to blitz to create pressure, meaning exotic coverages and disguises and crazy activity presnap. I also expect Jones & Washington to turn your tackles into welcome mats. So you're QB will be running for his life or just throwing the ball up for grabs by the 4th.
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SmyrnaDawg said...
yeah probably, I'm also guilty of lumping all Big 10 teams into those nOhio St. teams that get thumped when they play a SEC defense. Troy Smith in the game vs Florida had to be thinking, 'man they don't rush the passer like this at minnesota'. Its hard for me to take msu serious when they quit last year in their bowl vs bama.
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perrydawg said...
I'm right there with ya, but after watching us struggle against Boise I tried to look at everything 50/50. I for one FIRMLY believe tOhio st didn't deserve the title against Miami...I think in 2001? Sorry Spartan, just not alot of love from SEC fans given the evidence shown in the past. Would be nice to see a close game, but I want us to roll.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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perrydawg said...
Whoa whoa now....MSU has the experienced QB??? Check the profile image...three years in our system with the last two being played in the SEC. I don't believe your QB has been rushed like AM has. You do have the more experienced WRs, but our pups have grown up VERY quick, IE Malcolm Mitchell. In 2008, we had ONE main target and then MoMass and KD which got the attention when AJ was doubled/tripled in coverage. This year you guys are going to have to account for 3-5 WRs. During the ending stretch Murray threw 14 TDs to (if I'm not mistaken) 13 different guys. I'm sure it will be a fun game to watch, even though I'll be at work...smh. Our secondary will give you guys a run for your $$$$.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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SpartanRocky said...
FWIW, BJ Cunningham is currently the #12 receiver nationally with over 1200 yards and 12 TDS. He also averages over 17 yards per catch. Le'Veon Bell is the Spartan's main RB, with 900 yards even and 5.5 YPC. Tack on Kirk Cousins completing nearly 66% of his passes for over 3000 yards, 24 TDs and 7 INTs and I think you have a pretty solid mix of talent.
I've heard the "SEC Talent" week to week argument, but the facts remain that UGA didn't see Bama, Arkansas or LSU during the regular season. S. Car beat UGA and after that, which team had the mixture of "size and speed" that's so much better than what MSU puts out there? Tennessee? Vanderbilt? Florida?
Jones is a great LB and deserving of AA honors. Did you know MSU's Denicos Allen (SAM LB) is a pretty good pass-rusher in his own right? 17 TFL and 10 sacks on the year. UGA isn't the only team that can bring pressure from the edges. The Spartans also feature an AA of their own in DT Jerel Worthy. At 6'3 310, the man is right up there with the best DTs in the nation, including those you see in the SEC. MSU's William Gholston, a former 5-star recruit, sets the edge at DE and checks in at 6'7 283.
I really think that MSU has more talent than you're giving them credit for, particularly on defense. I invite you to peruse the MSU stats at your leisure. This should be an intense, physical, close game.
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SpartanRocky said...
Well, yea, I mean, MSU's QB is a RS SR 3 year starter with 5 years in the same system. Doesn't get much more experienced than that.
And you're right, MSU's QB hasn't been rushed like Murray, because the Spartan's OL is pretty solid at pass-blocking.
The SEC defense argument doesn't quite hold so much weight when you consider that UGA didn't play Bama or LSU during the regular season. The 2 times UGA played a good conference team, S. Car and LSU, they lost.
Other than that, UGA played 7-5 Auburn (blew them out), then 6-6 Florida, Vandy, Miss. State, 5-7 Kentucky and Tennessee, as well as 2-10 Ole Miss.
I truly mean no offense, but I don't see the "SEC grind" that a lot of your fans seem to be claim is so tough. I mean, after the S. Car game it went
FCS Coastal Carolina 2-10 Ole Miss 6-6 Miss. State 5-7 Tennesee 6-6 Vandy 6-6 Florida 4-9 New Mexico State 7-5 Auburn 5-7 Kentucky 8-4 Georgia Tech
Additionally, almost all of the SEC games, save the blowout of Auburn, were close: the best non-AU win was 14 points over the Mississippi schools. After that, it'd be a 9 pt win vs. Kentucky at home, an 8 pt win over Tennessee, a 5 pt win over Vandy and a 4 pt win over UF.
I really think Michigan State is better than a 6-6 or 7-5 SEC school. I don't think the Spartans are LSU or Bama, but I'd argue that Michigan State faced a tougher gauntlet in the Big 10.
@ 6-6 Ohio State W 10-2 Michigan W 11-2 Wisconsin W @9-3 Nebraska L 3-9 Minnesota W @ 7-5 Iowa W 1-11 Indiana W @ 6-6 Northwestern W
The biggest difference is that MSU had 2 "gimmee" conference games against IU and Minnesota. Other than that, the Spartans played 3 9+ win conference teams, plus faced traditional power Ohio State on the road. MSU comes in pretty well tested.
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Well, yea, I mean, MSU's QB is a RS SR 3 year starter with 5 years in the same system. Doesn't get much more experienced than that.
And you're right, MSU's QB hasn't been rushed like Murray, because the Spartan's OL is pretty solid at pass-blocking.
The SEC defense argument doesn't quite hold so much weight when you consider that UGA didn't play Bama or LSU during the regular season. The 2 times UGA played a good conference team, S. Car and LSU, they lost.
Other than that, UGA played 7-5 Auburn (blew them out), then 6-6 Florida, Vandy, Miss. State, 5-7 Kentucky and Tennessee, as well as 2-10 Ole Miss.
I truly mean no offense, but I don't see the "SEC grind" that a lot of your fans seem to be claim is so tough. I mean, after the S. Car game it went
FCS Coastal Carolina 2-10 Ole Miss 6-6 Miss. State 5-7 Tennesee 6-6 Vandy 6-6 Florida 4-9 New Mexico State 7-5 Auburn 5-7 Kentucky 8-4 Georgia Tech
Additionally, almost all of the SEC games, save the blowout of Auburn, were close: the best non-AU win was 14 points over the Mississippi schools. After that, it'd be a 9 pt win vs. Kentucky at home, an 8 pt win over Tennessee, a 5 pt win over Vandy and a 4 pt win over UF.
I really think Michigan State is better than a 6-6 or 7-5 SEC school. I don't think the Spartans are LSU or Bama, but I'd argue that Michigan State faced a tougher gauntlet in the Big 10.
@ 6-6 Ohio State W 10-2 Michigan W 11-2 Wisconsin W @9-3 Nebraska L 3-9 Minnesota W @ 7-5 Iowa W 1-11 Indiana W @ 6-6 Northwestern W
The biggest difference is that MSU had 2 "gimmee" conference games against IU and Minnesota. Other than that, the Spartans played 3 9+ win conference teams, plus faced traditional power Ohio State on the road. MSU comes in pretty well tested.
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Dawgs are 7-0 against the Big 10 in bowls.
None of that has a bearing on this game. But you have to know why your optimism is taken with a grain of salt, Rocky.
You sneer at our competition. But the fact remains is that 1) we shut down running games 2) we have an excellent pass rush 3) we have a legit secondary. 3 guys have a legit shot for Sundays.
Our defense is good enough to neutralize everything your team throws at us. That doesn't guarantee a win. But it guarantees that we'll have an opportunity to put the game away late in the game.
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DICK HEAD said...
Hey Rock:
I'm so tired or my UofM friends making fun of Sparty's outfit. What do I say to these eunuchs when they say he wears a skirt. I get soooo mad I want to punch 'em in the dick.
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Dawgs are 7-0 against the Big 10 in bowls.
None of that has a bearing on this game. But you have to know why your optimism is taken with a grain of salt, Rocky.
You sneer at our competition. But the fact remains is that 1) we shut down running games 2) we have an excellent pass rush 3) we have a legit secondary. 3 guys have a legit shot for Sundays.
Our defense is good enough to neutralize everything your team throws at us. That doesn't guarantee a win. But it guarantees that we'll have an opportunity to put the game away late in the game.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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coley.moore said...
I am sick of reading that we didn't play Alabama-Arkansas-LSU in regular season play this year. We rotate 2 SEC West teams home and home games and it is just the luck of the draw. And UGA can't control the fact that the SEC East is down with Florida and Tennessee in coaching turmoil.
The SEC bias comes from the fact that every single time a "GREAT" Pac-12/Big 10/Big 12 team that plays an SEC team gets shut down by the SEC defense. We always hear that the other conferences have just as talented and fast athletes BEFORE the game. For some reason it never seems to translate to the field.
I'm not dissing MSU at all, as I think UGA-MSU will be one of the better bowl matchups this season, but let's get real here. The bias comes from Ohio State vs. Florida, Ohio State vs. LSU, Oklahoma vs. Florida, Alabama vs. Texas, and Auburn vs. Oregon. Not including other matchups during the regular season. The only game that was close in those BCS championship games was the Auburn game because Auburn's defense has sucked since Ted Roof was the DC.
We know other conferences have just as good as athletes. But honestly we don't care how great your players' numbers were against Minnesota or Northwestern or Indiana. Until the other conferences can make games competitive, then the SEC bias will be there.
Edit: I disagree. I would say our best win was the thrashing we gave USCe. That game should have been 42-14, but alas special teams does count as part of the game.
I would love to see how our games could have played out without special teams.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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