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Bigger Defensive Stat for 2013?

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Which will prove to be the bigger defensive stat in terms of wins and losses for the Dawg in 2013?
Points per game allowed?
Or fumbles forced?
2010 22.1 ppg allowed
2011 20.6 ppg allowed
2012 19.6 ppg allowed
2010 10 fumbles forced
2011 17 fumbles forced
2012 21 fumbles forced
Which do you believe will have a bigger impact on our finish to the 2013 season?
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What needs to go down significantly is our PPG allowed vs. ranked opponents:
2010: 26.75
2011: 38.75
2012: 26.75
I recognize that pick 6s, returned fumbles and special teams TDs skew this stat. Our rushing yards and rushing TDs allowed needs to drop significantly as well. If both of those two things happen, the PPG will drop accordingly.
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meansonny said...
Which will prove to be the bigger defensive stat in terms of wins and losses for the Dawg in 2013?
Points per game allowed? Or fumbles forced?
2010 22.1 ppg allowed 2011 20.6 ppg allowed 2012 19.6 ppg allowed
2010 10 fumbles forced 2011 17 fumbles forced 2012 21 fumbles forced
Which do you believe will have a bigger impact on our finish to the 2013 season?

Our PPG is going to be up there after the 1st 4 games. We have to force some turnovers and you do that with pressure on the QB mainly. We have to get off the field on 3rd down like 2012 instead of like 2010.
We are going to score. My hope is that we balance the hurry up with the ability to run the ball and run clock and keep the # of plays for the defense down.
It is going to be difficult in the 1st 4 games. We have depth and young talent but not a true difference maker and not a surefire "I am the leader".
Art Schlichter's cellmates and Mo Clarett's rugby team believe Ohio State always does things honestly.....
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KSLD said...
What needs to go down significantly is our PPG allowed vs. ranked opponents:
2010: 26.75 2011: 38.75 2012: 26.75
I recognize that pick 6s, returned fumbles and special teams TDs skew this stat. Our rushing yards and rushing TDs allowed needs to drop significantly as well. If both of those two things happen, the PPG will drop accordingly.

Last year...
gave up 3 points to Vandy
35 point to S.Car
9 points to UF
32 points to Bama
31 points to Nebraska
Nebraska had the pick 6.
UF scored 2 FGs on 3 first half turnovers by the Dawgs.
S.Car had the punt return for 6.
That brings the defensive ppg closer to 22. Which is respectable considering top 25 competition.
Grantham's scheme last year was ugly. He seemed more content to let teams march down the field rather than beat our safeties.
Ugly or not, we allowed fewer points than our 2011 defense. And impressively, we did much betterin ppg against our toughest competition than in 2011.
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Excuse me, I forgot to include Vandy in that calculation. No matter how you want to sugar coat it, 2013 is going to show a lot about what Grantham brings to the table. I happen to think that increased competition may actually breed a better defense, but if there is a sharp drop off from the last two seasons it will illustrate just how overrated he actually is. One top 20 scoring defense in 4 seasons does not warrant the type of salary he's receiving (if he fails to do so in '13). I know you can't tell by the tone, but I'm cautiously optimistic for improvement. However, our lack of discipline in tackling, shedding blocks, and run fits still leaves a bad taste in my mouth from last season.
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meansonny said...
Which will prove to be the bigger defensive stat in terms of wins and losses for the Dawg in 2013?
Points per game allowed? Or fumbles forced?
2010 22.1 ppg allowed 2011 20.6 ppg allowed 2012 19.6 ppg allowed
2010 10 fumbles forced 2011 17 fumbles forced 2012 21 fumbles forced
Which do you believe will have a bigger impact on our finish to the 2013 season?

Statistics can be used to support or undercut almost any argument. However, fumbles forced/recovered are momentum changers/builders and thus game changers. I think.
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KSLD said...
Excuse me, I forgot to include Vandy in that calculation. No matter how you want to sugar coat it, 2013 is going to show a lot about what Grantham brings to the table. I happen to think that increased competition may actually breed a better defense, but if there is a sharp drop off from the last two seasons it will illustrate just how overrated he actually is. One top 20 scoring defense in 4 seasons does not warrant the type of salary he's receiving (if he fails to do so in '13). I know you can't tell by the tone, but I'm cautiously optimistic for improvement. However, our lack of discipline in tackling, shedding blocks, and run fits still leaves a bad taste in my mouth from last season.

Even including Vandy, I think the ppg total was 26.
You were right on.
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I think a key stat will be how many plays we spend in the nickel defense and how many we spend in the base 3-4. That seemed to be to be one of the big problems when it came to our run defense last season.
However, to answer the topic question, PPG will be a far bigger factor. As long as we score more than the other team does, then we win.

This post was edited by BleedRedNBlack on 3/13/2013 at 8:15 PM
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