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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    At Wisconsin, they have a chant where half the Stadium shouts 'Eat S***' to which the other half of the stadium shouts back "F*** You!" . . . . and it goes back and forth.

    I got to go to the OSU game at Wisconsin two years ago and couldn't believe that chant when I heard it! When they do "Jump Around" to start the 4th Quarter, that is awesome! It was also strange for that game because the Wisconsin band was prevented from being present because of something to do with a hazing scandal.

    This post was edited by cdcraw550 3 years ago

  • Been lurking on the MSU site and man, they call us uncivilized? Reminds me of the crap ppl used to talk on AOL instant messenger back in the day( when that was supposed to be cool)

  • SavDawg said... (original post)

    Been lurking on the MSU site and man, they call us uncivilized? Reminds me of the crap ppl used to talk on AOL instant messenger back in the day( when that was supposed to be cool)

    Like I said, there are about 2000-3000 people on there at any given moment and I think we have somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 users. Granted that could be the same people having 4-5 accounts, but the point is that we have an enormous message board population, especially for college sports.

    We're also going to have a higher raw # of idiots as well. I'm sorry about that.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Like I said, there are about 2000-3000 people on there at any given moment and I think we have somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 users. Granted that could be the same people having 4-5 accounts, but the point is that we have an enormous message board population, especially for college sports.

    We're also going to have a higher raw # of idiots as well. I'm sorry about that.

    Oh no worries, I actually found it very entertaining. Just interesting to note the difference in our sites

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Like I said, there are about 2000-3000 people on there at any given moment and I think we have somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 users. Granted that could be the same people having 4-5 accounts, but the point is that we have an enormous message board population, especially for college sports.

    We're also going to have a higher raw # of idiots as well. I'm sorry about that.

    Oh no worries, I actually found it very entertaining. Just interesting to note the difference in our sites

  • victory4msu25 said... (original post)

    Do you have a video of that hit? Looks awesome from the picture. Just wanna throw in that I really respect the program that UGA has put together. One of the only SEC teams I actually like.

    Honestly, video probably wouldn't be as impressive as the pic. It was a good hit but Smith was giving up close to 40 lbs in that collision, both guys were slow to get up. That hit definitely fell into the "reckless disregard for ones' own body" category.

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  • SavDawg said... (original post)

    Been lurking on the MSU site and man, they call us uncivilized? Reminds me of the crap ppl used to talk on AOL instant messenger back in the day( when that was supposed to be cool)

    lighten up my man. a lot of posters with witty humor.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Like I said, there are about 2000-3000 people on there at any given moment and I think we have somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 users. Granted that could be the same people having 4-5 accounts, but the point is that we have an enormous message board population, especially for college sports.

    We're also going to have a higher raw # of idiots as well. I'm sorry about that.

    Don't apologize Rocky, MSU board is awesome.

  • DavidsonNCCock said... (original post)

    Don't apologize Rocky, MSU board is awesome.

    I think you've only been banned 3 times lol.

    Anyways, it's a new week, any new developments from the UGA end? I think bowl practices start soon for MSU, so I'll drop any info I can in here for you guys. Hope everyone had a great weekend.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • This has to do with the future of MSU. How much longer do you think Coach D stays in coaching? He has had a bout with heart disease, and overall how is he doing? Does the hiring of Urban Meyers concern you? I rank it up their with Rich Rod to Michigan. Rich Rod's Offense looked great when he was recruiting the speed guys out of the south, but could not do the same at UM. Meyer has won at Bowling Green and Utah, but a year after Tebow his Offense struggled. Is there any worry in the Big 12?

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  • Hunkerdown said... (original post)

    This has to do with the future of MSU. How much longer do you think Coach D stays in coaching? He has had a bout with heart disease, and overall how is he doing? Does the hiring of Urban Meyers concern you? I rank it up their with Rich Rod to Michigan. Rich Rod's Offense looked great when he was recruiting the speed guys out of the south, but could not do the same at UM. Meyer has won at Bowling Green and Utah, but a year after Tebow his Offense struggled. Is there any worry in the Big 12?

    1. Coach D: Anywhere from another 5 - 10 years. I really saw him as a 15 year guy; get out at 65-ish. His heart issues were genetic, but addressed and he's got a clean bill of health. I really don't think he leaves MSU for a higher profile job in part because of his health. He saw what happened to Meyer and a few others; at MSU he can average 8 Ws a year and not have to worry about being fired. That said, he's pushing that figure closer to 9, which is impressive. I really see him as a Barry Alvarez-type that takes MSU from mediocre to good/respectable, with the next hire determining the long-term fate of the program (like Bielema. . . though without the meathead/chachi attitude).

    2. Meyer doesn't concern me much for a few reasons. First and foremost, tOSU is in the other division and after 2012 MSU doesn't play them in the regular season for 4 years. The 2012 game is at Spartan Stadium and will tOSU's first Big 10 road game. So . . . yea, don't really care unless we see them in the CCG in the next 4 years. Who knows how long Meyer stays coaching?

    The second reason is the whole recruiting thing. MSU (other than Se'von Pittman) just does not get Ohio players with tOSU offers anyways. Basically I don't see the Meyer hire really dampening MSU's recruiting efforts in the state; Ohio State will have their pick of the litter and MSU, Michigan, ND, PSU, Iowa, etc. will fight over the rest. Besides that, tOSU will be going after the Meyer-spread O players, so I doubt we go head to head as much. Given Meyer's connections in FL, we could even see tOSU be less of a player in the Midwest, which would actually benefit MSU.

    3. As far as the style of offense . . . any O or D can be effective if you have the right guys to run it. Is Braxton Miller that QB? Probably so, though I don't think he has the speedy RB he wants. I know Meyer's spread has been effective, but I have to say that I found it incredibly boring to watch. Blasphemy, maybe, but it just seemed really bush-league. Not knocking its potency, I just didn't find it aesthetically pleasing as a fan.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Update: Starting NT Kevin Pickleman (6'4 290, Hon. Mention All Big 10) will almost certainly not play in the bowl game. This is a blow to MSU, who will be without back-up 3-tech Jonathon Strayhorn (6'0 280). MSU has moved RS Soph Micajah Reynolds (6'5 320) from OG to NT (Reynolds has played a lot on both lines over the past 3 years) to bolster depth, but it looks like MSU's DTs are thin.

    The Spartans defensive front was built on a steady rotation of 8 players that kept everyone fresh and able to go at full speed for 4 Qs. Though the DEs will be fine, this is not good news going up against a power-rush attack like UGA.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Update: Starting NT Kevin Pickleman (6'4 290, Hon. Mention All Big 10) will almost certainly not play in the bowl game. This is a blow to MSU, who will be without back-up 3-tech Jonathon Strayhorn (6'0 280). MSU has moved RS Soph Micajah Reynolds (6'5 320) from OG to NT (Reynolds has played a lot on both lines over the past 3 years) to bolster depth, but it looks like MSU's DTs are thin.

    The Spartans defensive front was built on a steady rotation of 8 players that kept everyone fresh and able to go at full speed for 4 Qs. Though the DEs will be fine, this is not good news going up against a power-rush attack like UGA.

    Is he hurt?

    This time of year were always on the lookout for suspensions and academic issues going into the bowl...hopefully we skate clean this year.

    I think we should be starting practice this week

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Is he hurt?

    This time of year were always on the lookout for suspensions and academic issues going into the bowl...hopefully we skate clean this year.

    I think we should be starting practice this week

    Oops, sorry for the confusion. Both Pickelman and Strayhorn are hurt (knees). Hopefully no off-season incidents. Probably the worst was in 2009; right after the awards banquet a group of players assaulted some fraternity guys, leading to the suspension of 13 players for the bowl game, including the top 2 WRs. MSU then lost a shoot-out to Texas Tech. In 2007, MSU's All Big 10 DE Jonal St. Dic (10 sacks, 8 FF) missed the game due to academics.

    BJ Cunningham has had the worst luck of anyone when it comes to bowl games. He was part of the 2009 brawl, so he missed that bowl, then broke his leg in the bowl practices before the Cap 1 Bowl vs. Bama. So even though MSU has gone to a bowl game each of his 4 years on campus, he's only played in 1 (2008 Cap 1 vs. . . well, you guys).

    It pains me to think of what could have been if he had played against Alabama. MSU could have made the score 42-14 lol.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I think you've only been banned 3 times lol.

    Anyways, it's a new week, any new developments from the UGA end? I think bowl practices start soon for MSU, so I'll drop any info I can in here for you guys. Hope everyone had a great weekend.

    never been banned from MSU site. Does that make me a bad poster over there? If so, please ban me so I can have more tRCMB street cred.

  • DavidsonNCCock said... (original post)

    never been banned from MSU site. Does that make me a bad poster over there? If so, please ban me so I can have more tRCMB street cred.

    Who am I thinking of then? There's 1 S. Car poster who's been banned several times. I think he was the one who posted about ways to whack his gf?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Who am I thinking of then? There's 1 S. Car poster who's been banned several times. I think he was the one who posted about ways to whack his gf?

    1. That's stevecook229. You guys banned him after about 45 minutes and then permabanned him later.

    2. Davidson is the one that asked how to kill his wife. It was actually her under his account cause she just wants to get the hell away from him.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Who am I thinking of then? There's 1 S. Car poster who's been banned several times. I think he was the one who posted about ways to whack his gf?

    Yeah mpcoan has it right, that's stevecook. I did start that thread but it was locked, I wasn't banned. TBB banned me for several days for that thread though.

  • mpcoan said... (original post)

    2. Davidson is the one that asked how to kill his wife. It was actually her under his account cause she just wants to get the hell away from him.

    That's some funny stuff right there!

    Andrew, back to football. Tell me if MSU's offensive line is a relative strength or weakness of the team? I feel like we will really be able to stop the running game and will make MSU have to throw it if they are not truly a dominant offensive line. I am definitely worried about MSU's defensive line vs. our OL as well. Those two matchups could go a long way in determining this game.

  • cdcraw550 said... (original post)

    That's some funny stuff right there!

    Andrew, back to football. Tell me if MSU's offensive line is a relative strength or weakness of the team? I feel like we will really be able to stop the running game and will make MSU have to throw it if they are not truly a dominant offensive line. I am definitely worried about MSU's defensive line vs. our OL as well. Those two matchups could go a long way in determining this game.

    The offensive line is a relative weakness for the Spartans, but it's much better now than it was earlier in the year. That's a bit convoluted, so let me explain.

    WARNING: This is going to be long

    The Spartans came into '11 needing to replace their LT, C and RT. The heirs apparent were a trio of RS Sophs: David Barrent at LT (6'8 310, former Army-AA 4-star all-everything recruit), Nate Klatt at C (6'4 300, 4-star, etc. etc.) and Henry "Big Hank" Conway (6'6 318, 3-star but nearly played as a true frosh in '09).

    Well, in the spring Barrent retired due to a lingering back injury, Klatt broke his foot during the 2nd week of practice, and Conway? Well Conway actually fractured the 2nd vertebrae in his neck back in the spring of 2010, and was not available until the fall of 2011. In short, the "cavalry" was not going to arrive.

    So MSU was forced to find plan B guys. RS Soph DT Dan France (6'6 315) was moved to LT, true JR NT Blake Treadwell (6'3 292, 4-star C recruit in '09) was moved to C and the Spartans recruited 3-star JUCO Fou Fonoti (6'4 300) from CA in the '11 class to compete at RT. The problem was that Fonoti didn't sign until February and wasn't able to get on campus until the summer. Instead, RS FR Skylar Burkland (formerly Schofner), a 6'7 315 pound former 4-star (MSU had a really nice stretch of OL recruiting in '09 and '10) prospect seemed to lock down the RT spot in the spring, with France seeming to have a grip on LT and Treadwell going head to head with RS FR Travis Jackson (6'3 275).

    Then fall camp came around. France had a great first 2 weeks, then was called for back to back false start penalties in a scrimmage and was replaced by career back-up Jared McGaha (RS SR 6'6 298). Jackson seemed to get the better of Treadwell . . . then suffered a high ankle sprain during the 2nd or 3rd week of the fall. Fonoti came in, but couldn't beat Burkland.

    MSU began the year with LT: McGaha/France, C: Treadwell and RT: Burkland. McGaha proved why he was a career back-up and France locked up the LT spot after game 2.

    Then, in week 3, MSU played at ND. Most folks know that the Spartans lost 31-13, arguably the worst loss of the year. What a lot of folks don't know is that both Treadwell and Burkland were lost for the year during that game. With Jackson still sidelined, MSU turned to RS JR Ethan Ruhland (6'4 288) at C. If you're keeping track at home, that'd be MSU's 4th string center (Klatt, Treadwell and Jackson being ahead of him). Fonoti was thrust into action as well at RT. MSU had a whooping 29 yards on the ground.

    Luckily MSU was able to get Jackson back from his ankle injury in time to start the next week at C. Still, with Burkland gone, MSU was forced to roll with Fonoti at RT.

    Essentially the Spartans have played the majority of the year with a converted DT at LT, a RS FR at C and a 1st year JUCO at RT. If you want to call the original 3 heirs apparent the "1st string" options, MSU has played with the 2nd string LT, 3rd string C and 3rd string RT for this season.

    It's hard for MSU fans to be too disappointed with the OL given the ridiculous number of injuries at key positions. Though MSU finished just 76th in rushing (142.92 YPG), they actually improved quite a bit as the year went on. Also, MSU only allowed 1.15 sacks/ game (22nd nationally), pretty impressive given the problems at OT.

    In short, the MSU OL was as bad as it could have been earlier in the year, then progressed from stark weakness to "ok". It'll be interesting to see how the bowl practices help these guys; France has a lot of physical talent but is new to the position, etc.

    As for the MSU DL, I think I posted it already, but 2 DTs are going to be out for the game. State moved Micajah Reynolds (6'5 320) back to NT from OG/OT (he's played on both sides of the line in his 3 years), but after him the depth is walk-ons. MSU is going to have to control the clock and/or get out to an early lead, because I could see the middle of the D wearing out in the late 3rd and into the 4th Qs.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Awesome response Andrew, you made me feel much better!biggrin

  • cdcraw550 said... (original post)

    Awesome response Andrew, you made me feel much better!

    Not quite the fanbase I was looking to please lol

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Not quite the fanbase I was looking to please lol

    Don't worry, I feel sure he only skimmed it....

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Don't worry, I feel sure he only skimmed it....

    No, I mean it basically says that MSU is starting a converted DT at LT, a RS FR C and a JUCO at RT. The only positive is that those guys started the last 10 games together and the #s have improved drastically (Cousins hasn't been sacked since the 1st weekend of November). Really, they're only going to keep improving; that's the only good thing about young players, you don't know their ceiling yet.

    Now, how much the OL improves between now and the bowl game is something I just don't know. I do expect the line to look at lot more like it did towards the end of the year (I'll get the rushing #s figured out, but I think it's around 170 YPG on the ground over the last 4, plus 0 sacks given up) than it did in the beginning.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • I hope this extra month of practice gives Baker some time to get back in the groove. He had high expectations after last year and really only had one good game this year (Michigan).

    Hopefully improved offensive line play will give him a shot. Le'Veon Bell is going to be a big factor here. With Georgia running a 3-4 with fast, athletic LBs, it's going to be tough to run to the edges like it was against Bama. We need to get some holes through the middle, and Bell is great and running people over like that.

    Also, for all of you with kids, make them close their eyes when Le'Veon Bell gets a carry. His spin move is disgustingly filthy.