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Question of the day: Where does Kentavious Caldwell-Pope rank among the very best players in UGA history.
Top of my head, Dominique, Vern Fleming, Jarvis Hayes might be ahead of him. But I don't think Trey and Travis were, not in terms of the impact KCP makes in every single game while also being the focus of the defense. Underrated player, and I think he should get serious consideration for SEC player of the year.
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He is top 15 right now but if he leaves, that's as high as he goes. If he comes back and we win 20+ games and get to the NCAA's, he will go way up in the rankings.
Art Schlichter's cellmates and Mo Clarett's rugby team believe Ohio State always does things honestly.....
Name 7 better. He kept us from being winless in the SEC this year...
I think KCP is fourth at worst right now, with it being close between himself and Jarvis. JH had a better supporting cast so he didn't have quite as much attention from the defense as KCP gets, but JH put up better numbers. Toss up IMO.
This post was edited by Ballparkga 13 months ago
All had better careers than KCP SO FAR. That's why I said he needs to return. He could be our best ever.
Kessler and Green definitely. Didn't think to include those guys.
Willie Anderson? (He had a brother, Shandon, who also played at Georgia and in the pros. At the moment, however, I've forgotten the first name of the "better" brother. Timeframe at UGA was late '80s.)
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Was about to name Willie!
In my lifetime, my list is as follows.
1a. Jarvis Hayes
1b. Jumaine Jones
2. Carlos Strong
3. DA Layne
4. Rashad Wright
If KCP stays he can move up the list.
Edit: Green and Kessler were both in my lifetime. But I was a toddler. The first year I remember bball was 1992-93. Which was Strong's Freshman year. And we had Big Charles Claxton.
This post was edited by DeZeier 13 months ago
+1 for kessler and green. that was a good group.
Fair enough, but since the best ever phrase came up, do you think KCP could do that in coming back for just next year? I really doubt he passes up NBA money twice. Should he come back next year, it buys another year for Mann and Gaines to become above average SEC players without being the guys the defense keys in on.
some older names who had good careers
Kessler led us to an SEC title. If KCP comes back and we dance, it will be because of him. Otherwise we struggle again. If he leaves a legacy like that, he shoots way up in my book
Saw the first two play, and Leinhard was the star (with Engels?) when I first started paying attention in the late '60s. As I recall, Mercer turned pro after a season or two, which was not a good decision. I think he broke/set school (and SEC?) records for blocks.
Sundiata Gaines has to be on the list.....Stats aside, YATA was a DGD and can play on my team any day. He got a team to the tourney with Dave Bliss as the 2nd best player on the team.
Jurmain Jones might be the most over rated dawg ever. D A lang was also pretty good. Right now kcp has a shot at being top dawg. but so did mike mercer.
You can add Herb White to that list; the elevator from Decatur.
Could put a quarter on the top of the backboard and make change
Good list. Would just add Jarvis Hayes, Willie Anderson (multi-time Olympian) and Shandon Anderson.
Kessler not only led the Dawgs to an SEC title, he did against Shaquille O'Neal in the title game.
Henderson wa an immediate sensation who became a one-and-done player.
Fleming was good enough to have a solid NBA career.
Fair will forever be known as the 6'7" center who took on three future NBA greats (James Worthy, Sam Perkins, and Michael Jordan) and led us to victory in the region finals against UNC on our wasy to the fianl four.
Greens carried the program on his back as a ball handler and scorer.
And Jacky Dorsey was a freshman sensation who unfortunatley left after his only year, too early for the NBA.
One other note: Lavon Mercer was a center who played four years in the late 70s - a good, serviceable player but not nearly as good as KCP. Apparently some people are confusing him with the more recent Mike Mercer.
With all that said, this year KCP has established himself as one of the all-time Dawg greats. On a team that has trouble scoring he is the only player who consistently produces points. And, as shown in the Ole Miss game, even when he hits a dry spell in scoring he shows terific leadership with encouragement and unselfishness.
This post was edited by phdawg1 13 months ago
Perhaps I was conflating the careers/accomplishments of Lavon Mercer and Jacky Dorsey.
I didnt follow UGA basketball until the mid 90s so I cant speak for the Final Four group but I did watch Dominique in the pros. The top 5 are...
1. Jarvis Hayes - A scoring machine although he was not as dangerous from outside. A true slasher.
2. KCP - Maybe not the scorer Trey Thompkins was but can score from anywhere.
3. Trey Thompkins
4. Jumaine Jones - played on some horrendous teams.
5. DA Layne - this spot is a toss up. Wright could be here and others. DA could really get hot though.
I'm not sure I follow Jarvis being rated ahead of KCP. No offense at all. Jarvis was a damn good dawg but he also played on perhaps the most talented basketball team we've had in the past 20 years. He benefited GREATLY from Ezra Williams who used to torch the ball across the court from Jarvis. Rashad Wright, Chris Daniels and my man Steve Thomas weren't too bad either. Jonah as the 6th man. The Jim Harrick glory days.
I think Jarvis was great but in all-around game, I'm not sure it's close between he and KCP. Swap teams with Jarvis and KCP and I'm not sure Jarvis does what KCP is doing with this team. Put KCP on Jarvis's team and think what KCP could have done scoring with Ezra Williams playing cross court. DAMN. JMHO
kcp's on an impressive run.... but if he leaves, he'll get treated more like moreno than green.
and for as great as kcp has been this year, he's not sniffing early first round talk at all. i think he could continue to move up. as it is, he's probably a 2nd rounder like thompkins and leslie before him. and then, he's a maybe to stay in the league longer than 3 years as is the case for so many 2nd rounders.
Shows how old I'm getting that I dismiss the opinion as pure poppycock. KCP is a good player, but he's not in the top 10 of UGA greats. Others have done a good job of naming the greats in the context of the eras in which they played , so I won't do that.
I guess the difference for most people is that its impossible for most to divide a player's talents from leading his team to wins. Sure the other talent on the team factors into the equation, but it is still very difficult to say KCP is one of the top 5 players at UGA as some are suggesting when his career win/loss stats are 29-32.
Right now KCP is just a really good player on a terrible team. The greats are always considered to be great players on good teams.
Yata is my all-time favorite Dawg. Still get chills thinking about the 2008 SEC tourney. That being said, since I've followed UGA basketball (around 2001-2002) the best has been Jarvis Hayes, but KCP is close behind. I think if he could get a team to the tournament, either through another miracle SEC championship this year or by coming back next year, he would pass Jarvis. I'm too young (21) to remember Dominique, even in the pros, or some of the others y'all have mentioned, but KCP would have to be in the conversation for GOAT if he came back.
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