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This is a SELF IMPOSED penalty...

  • Those of you bashing the players and the coaching staff for being "thugs" or "drug addicts" need to fully understand the nature of drug testing policies in the SEC. Bottom line is that we have BY FAR the strictest policy of any of our competitors. That doesn't mean we have the only players smoking weed every day, it just means we have the harshest punishment for it. Trust me, Bama, LSU, Auburn, and UF have plenty of pot heads. According to testing policies, Tyran Mathieu's suspension for weed last season was due to his SECOND offense. You never heard about his first one, because LSU doesn't suspend kids for their first offense. In fact, only UGA and UK require a suspension on the first offense and only Auburn, UGA, UK, MSU, and USCe require more than a 15% suspension in the second case.

    Once again UGA has fallen victim to it's own administration putting money and status before its athletic program. I'm not
    saying what we do is right or wrong, but there is no denying that our admin policies put us at a distinct disadvantage to our top tier competition in the league.

    Here's a link: http://mrsec.com/2010/12/sec-drug-policies-arent-created-equal/

    This post was edited by KSLD on 3/29/2012 at 8:50 AM

    KSLD

  • Bro you're just making and excuse for the players. We all know our drug policy is tough, and so do our players. If they know it, why even chance it? We have struggled with drug suspensions for years, and we as fans are fed up with the players being irresponsible and selfish. These kids just don't play football, they play at UGA and for the UGA nation and that's bigger than them as a player. Fans should stop using our drug policy as an excuse and hold the players responsible bc in the end, they are the ones responsible for their own actions.

    BigDawg1612

  • It's far from an excuse, it's an explanation. Do you HONESTLY think you would have the same reaction to this if our policy were no suspension first offense, and 1 game (Buffalo) for the 2nd offense? No one would give a rats ass about this issue if that were the case - which it is at some of our rival schools. Make the policies uniform, and then it will be 100% on the kids. Until that time, universities are penalizing their own programs with stricter than they have to be policies.

    KSLD

  • Well it's Rambo's 2nd offense so that takes him out of the arguement. I don't mind our drug policy and it seems like only the football team has a problem with it. And if you're the one that gave me a downvote, i appreciate it!!

    BigDawg1612

  • I don't give out votes, so I'm sorry to dissapoint. Regardless of what you think of our policy and it's righteousness, it should be uniform throughout the league, period. That way when Mathieu has his second offense, he misses the SEC title game, rather than just a couple of games in late October (that would have had to been his 2nd offense, according to LSU's policy).

    This post was edited by KSLD on 3/29/2012 at 9:18 AM

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  • It sounds a whole lot like an excuse to me. We all, including the football players, know what the UGA policy is. It does not matter how tough it is compared to other SEC schools. It is our policy. They broke it, and now the team, fans and university suffer for it.

    dawgs30

  • Same offense = different punishment? I'm not sure where you were raised, but I was taught that's not how penalties are handed out.

    BTW, y'all do realize that Kirby and Saban use this very drug testing policy against us with recruits.

    KSLD

  • KSLD said...

    Same offense = different punishment? I'm not sure where you were raised, but I was taught that's not how penalties are handed out.

    BTW, y'all do realize that Kirby and Saban use this very drug testing policy against us with recruits.

    KSLD...I'm glad someone "gets it". Whether some of you like it or not, our own policy puts us at a huge disadvantage, period.

    HoJo

  • Not a fan of anyone other than UGA. So there for I could care less what their drug policy is at all. Maybe we need to make ours tougher since these guys dont seem to get that we don't need these issues in our program.

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  • KSLD said...

    Same offense = different punishment? I'm not sure where you were raised, but I was taught that's not how penalties are handed out.

    BTW, y'all do realize that Kirby and Saban use this very drug testing policy against us with recruits.

    So you mean to tell me that when saban recruits a kid he tells them they are allowed to smoke weed? let's put it like this saban has won THREE NC since richt has been the head coach. And he even took a couple years off to test the NFL. The difference is kids respect saban and his program. Wish I could say the same for our guys. If this were any NFL team. The reports would say that the coach has lost control. Obvious his message isn't getting a cross to them.

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  • Navybulldawg said...

    So you mean to tell me that when saban recruits a kid he tells them they are allowed to smoke weed? let's put it like this saban has won THREE NC since richt has been the head coach. And he even took a couple years off to test the NFL. The difference is kids respect saban and his program. Wish I could say the same for our guys. If this were any NFL team. The reports would say that the coach has lost control. Obvious his message isn't getting a cross to them.

    Did you even read the link? When Rambo was suspended last year for the Boise game, Saban's players wouldn't face the same suspension for the exact same issue. For the second offense, they would miss 1-2 games, not 4-6. Third time is a season vs. dismissal. I can't help you if you can't see that this is a distinct disadvantage.

    I never said they encourage weed smoking. However, Kirby does in fact use our stricter policies against us on GA recruits. If you can't come to grips with that, it's on you.

    KSLD

  • Look, UGA isnt going to be the dad that let they're kid smoke weed, drink, and act like an a hole whenever they want to. Richt is trying to show these guys that bad actions are going to be met with tough dicipline. Idk bout you but im going to raise my kid right! Coach Richt would rather a kid be raised into a good man than win a NC. and to be honest I agree with this! I want my son to be taught that if you mess up, if you do illegal things, then you will be held accountable for it. Now the news is out there, cant do nothing bout it now so why keep sulking and complaining? It's time for the back up's we have to step in and step up. Dont lose your faith, coach TG will have them ready! By the way, we are not alabama, south carolina, miami, auburn, florida, or anybody else where kids get away with these kind of things! We are better!

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  • KSLD said...

    Did you even read the link? When Rambo was suspended last year for the Boise game, Saban's players wouldn't face the same suspension for the exact same issue. For the second offense, they would miss 1-2 games, not 4-6. Third time is a season vs. dismissal. I can't help you if you can't see that this is a distinct disadvantage.

    I never said they encourage weed smoking. However, Kirby does in fact use our stricter policies against us on GA recruits. If you can't come to grips with that, it's on you.

    How many people here once made a derogatory comment, statement, or post (or thought) with regard to the Stephen Garcia handling by South Carolina.

    People are taking liberty to blast another school when they aren't harsh enough, but in the next breath complaining about how much more severe the penalties are when our own guys are having non-police incidences.

    Right is right. Wrong is wrong. I'm not going to blame our policy on the kids making poor decisions. 100% of the blame is on the kids for their choices. The good news for them is that their lives ARE NOT over. They have an opportunity to do their pennance and become better men, dads, husbands, employees/employers. But that opportunity rests on their shoulders. Not the coaching staff or the university.

    meansonny

  • While it is true that UGA has the toughest drug policy out there, there is clear lack of respect and selfishness on the players' part that is more prevalent at UGA than at other programs. Regardless of how strict the punishment is, these players know what the penalty is, yet they continue to disregard the rules to the peril of their teammates, coaches, and the program. It is inexcusable and I'm sick and tired of UGA being mired in mickey mouse BS that the top programs deal with much less frequently. This is embarrassing and now there is a real possibility that the chance at something special next season just went down in flames simply due to a lack of discipline and a shirking of personal responsibility. And with that I had better stop, because I'm getting more and more pissed off just thinking about it, and I don't want to start throwing grenades!

    Tickle

  • UGA Tim said...

    While it is true that UGA has the toughest drug policy out there, there is clear lack of respect and selfishness on the players' part that is more prevalent at UGA than at other programs. Regardless of how strict the punishment is, these players know what the penalty is, yet they continue to disregard the rules to the peril of their teammates, coaches, and the program. It is inexcusable and I'm sick and tired of UGA being mired in mickey mouse BS that the top programs deal with much less frequently. This is embarrassing and now there is a real possibility that the chance at something special next season just went down in flames simply due to a lack of discipline and a shirking of personal responsibility. And with that I had better stop, because I'm getting more and more pissed off just thinking about it, and I don't want to start throwing grenades!

    Did you read anything that was said?

    Other schools have THE SAME AMOUNT (if not more) of players failing drug tests. Its NOT more prevalent at UGA.

    Its just that we actually punish our kids... And for that, you're blasting them.

    Its turning everything upside down on its head. UGA is the most respectable program in this regards!

    Allhailuga

  • Navybulldawg said...

    So you mean to tell me that when saban recruits a kid he tells them they are allowed to smoke weed? let's put it like this saban has won THREE NC since richt has been the head coach. And he even took a couple years off to test the NFL. The difference is kids respect saban and his program. Wish I could say the same for our guys. If this were any NFL team. The reports would say that the coach has lost control. Obvious his message isn't getting a cross to them.

    No, Saban tells kids that UGA has a program in dissaray and look at all the suspensions that are going on. (Worked with Geno Smith's Mom). However, he fails to tell the kids about the difference in standards regarding suspensions and that UGA is more strict on discipline than BAMA is.

    If you think that UGA only has kids failing drug tests, then you are incredibly ignorant. UGA complies to open records requests while other schools don't. We publicize our dirty laundry while other schools don't.

    Did you ever hear of any discipline for Mike Hart (the BAMA RB) for his altercation with a LB on their team? Ever see it in the papers? Did you know what it was about? You didn't did you? And you know why? BAMA never released it to the public. But they sure talked about it on their boards.

    At UGA, that stuff gets put in the AJC and the Benner Herald. Not due to the coach, but the administration.

    KILL EM ALL

  • Wrote this in November ...

    Coffee: Difference in drug testing

    UGA is one of the few BCS programs that suspends for a first failed drug test. Some would say thats a competitive disadvantage.

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  • Navybulldawg said...

    Not a fan of anyone other than UGA. So there for I could care less what their drug policy is at all. Maybe we need to make ours tougher since these guys dont seem to get that we don't need these issues in our program.

    if you really think that players smoking weed is a problem unique to the uga program than you are naive. its extremely widespread. think about it. we are recruiting the same players as all the other programs are, our guys just get punished when they get caught

    jdawg804

  • DawgPound74 said...

    Bottom Line is This: The easiest thing to avoid is failing a drug test. DON'T DO DRUGS AND YOU WON'T TEST POSITIVE! I don't care how strict we are versus other schools. If you are smart, don't do this mess, then it doesn't matter if the 1st offense punishment comes with a year's stint in Jackson State Prison or a 1 game suspension. How strict we are doesn't apply to those you stay out of trouble.

    It's 2012. You are living in a fantasy if you think it's possible to have a football team on which nobody is smoking weed. Not just football players, anybody in that age group. The fact that such a large percentage of young people use it makes it virtually impossible that a student-athlete can go four years on campus without coming in contact with it, a lot.

    It's weed. It doesn't make you a bad person or speak to poor character. It's just weed, and not even the government cares enough to prosecute for such minor incidences, so why does UGA give it the same aspersions as they would for beating a woman or getting a DUi? The law doesn't view those as equal offenses so why do we?

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  • HobnailedBoots said...

    It's 2012. You are living in a fantasy if you think it's possible to have a football team on which nobody is smoking weed. Not just football players, anybody in that age group. The fact that such a large percentage of young people use it makes it virtually impossible that a student-athlete can go four years on campus without coming in contact with it, a lot.

    It's weed. It doesn't make you a bad person or speak to poor character. It's just weed, and not even the government cares enough to prosecute for such minor incidences, so why does UGA give it the same aspersions as they would for beating a woman or getting a DUi? The law doesn't view those as equal offenses so why do we?

    Great analogy there. Our drug policy essentially states that 3 failed drug tests throughout your career is equal to any other crime committed in which a student was kicked off the team. Those issues aren't even remotely similar, yet we self impose these sanctions for no good reason.

    The kids ARE at fault here, they knew the rules. However, this is a non-issue if we adopted a more reasonable drug testing policy. We would have never heard about Tree's failed drug test (along with potentially first failed tests for others), and Rambo would be facing AT MOST a 2 game suspension.

    There is a simple solution to all of this - make the rules uniform and no one will have a problem. Whether it's dismissal for the first offense or a single game suspension after your 3rd offense, the rules need to be made uniform. We are putting ourselves at a competitive disadvantage, and that's just plain dumb.

    KSLD

  • Making excuses doesn't fix things

    This post was edited by DeputyDawg on 3/29/2012 at 1:30 PM

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  • Who gives a flying f@&$ about any other program and there policy. When your kid gets in trouble in school over and over again. Does the teacher say. " it's ok the other class does it to. But they're teacher let's them get away with it" no they tell everyone else that there must be an issue at home. Do other school have these problems. Maybe. Do I care about other schools. No! Stop trying to point fingers to other programs and worry about correcting your own. Ever hear the saying don't throw stones in a glass house. That's what you guys are doing. In the military if you fail a drug test. You get discharged. Dummies still do it. But I guess they shouldnt be kicked out because the Canadian military doesn't have as strict rules

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  • Navybulldawg said...

    Who gives a flying f@&$ about any other program and there policy. When your kid gets in trouble in school over and over again. Does the teacher say. " it's ok the other class does it to. But they're teacher let's them get away with it" no they tell everyone else that there must be an issue at home. Do other school have these problems. Maybe. Do I care about other schools. No! Stop trying to point fingers to other programs and worry about correcting your own. Ever hear the saying don't throw stones in a glass house. That's what you guys are doing.

    You're half right.

    Yes, you have to deal with the problems that happen at your school.

    Hence, UGA does so with the strictest policy out there.

    Your half wrong to be fed up with UGA on this issue

    Allhailuga